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Nov 23 2008, 10:09 AM
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Moon ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Joined: 20-November 08 Posts: 397 From: Iowa City, Iowa, USA
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Greetings,
I'm a new member with an old projector - a home-made 16" diameter version of the Steven B. Smiith 20" drum style. My 16" drum's strength is its dense star field (equivalent to the norton star alas 6.4 magnitude field), but because of its relatively small diameter, a strong design demand is the light source. I'm writing to ask about experiences (and my observations) about light sources. I've migrated to the "bi-pin" still of bulbs used in Maglight (they have high intensity ad small filaments -- two very good things), but I'm still looking for the optimal. One weakness of the maglite style bulbs (or at least the Rayovac "High intensity" 3.6V, 0.3A bi-pin model I'm using) is that it's small glass envelope precludes distributions of light evenly throughout a solid angular region of 340 degrees (the angular coverage of my device). Old research I did on the Spitz A3 indicated that they used to use a bulb that had two important design parameters: a large glass envelope (thus increasing the distance from the filament to the base -- and thus the angular coverage of the light field) and a filament that seemed to be carefully placed within the center of the spherical shape of the bulb. This latter design aspect prevents secondary images developing as a result of filament light reflected off the inside surface of the glass envelope. Perhaps I'm mentioning things that are well known; I apologize if this is the case. But I'm still searching for that bulb that has: (1) the smallest (point-like) filament (2) appropriate brightness (of course, dependent upon dome size, etc.) (3) whitish color temperature (this is a toughy for incandescent bulbs, with there yellow-weighted spectra) Note: The proper combination of items (2) and (3) are important, as if I'm compelled to "dim" the bulb because it is simply too intense, then I get further away from white color temperature. (4) large coverage of the star sphere / cylinder (i.e. globe of stars) (this seems to be a drawback of these small "maglite" type bulbs, darn it! I'm loath to thinking of going to a two-bulb configuration, due to the demand for precise location and masking, etc.) (5) filament centered within an ideally spherically shaped glass envelop, to prevent the formation of "secondary" or ghost images due to the lack of such a geometry. Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing from any who have looked at this issue. I do find that the mag-lite bubs are pretty good, but I'm striving for the best -- because it is THE limiting factor for my 16 star cylinder. Thank you for any/all help out there. Charlie Miller Home-builder P.S. I have emailed with Gare and hope to send him a photo or two of my star cylinder and perhaps a shot of a star field (i'm currently working on re-doing all the condenser lense mounts and all that, however). P.P.S. Thank you for this oppotunity and venue. -------------------- Charlie Miller
Iowa City, IA Director Iowa Space Science Center project www.IowaSpaceScience.org Other Projects: Science education, Spitz A4, Home-built planetarium (6.35 limiting mag); single fisheye digital projection system. Spitz 373, and the Spitz Jr.! |
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Nov 30 2008, 01:11 PM
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![]() Gare ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Joined: 14-June 06 Posts: 3,338 From: gallatin tenn |
i'll just chip in my congrats to ken, one of the miller bros here .. talk about miller high life! I love that woodgrained panel, but where are the twilight lights, they must be very small? gare
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Charlie Miller New Member - Many Questions Nov 23 2008, 10:09 AM
Owen Phairis Greetings,
I'm a new member with an old proje... Nov 23 2008, 10:47 AM
Charlie Miller Dear Mr. Phairis,
Thanks for the reply and photo.... Nov 23 2008, 11:10 AM
Owen Phairis Dear Mr. Phairis,
Thanks for the reply and photo.... Nov 23 2008, 02:18 PM
Charlie Miller Thank you for the bulb photos. I think I had info... Nov 23 2008, 07:28 PM
Owen Phairis Thank you for the bulb photos. I think I had info ... Nov 24 2008, 09:56 AM
Charlie Miller My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ... Nov 24 2008, 01:16 PM
Owen Phairis My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ... Nov 24 2008, 01:49 PM
Ron Walker My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ... Nov 24 2008, 03:43 PM
Ron Walker Greetings,
I'm a new member with an old proje... Nov 24 2008, 03:09 PM
Ken Miller For what it's worth, the table I created to li... Nov 24 2008, 03:58 PM
Ken Miller By the way, I still have other bulb types that I h... Nov 24 2008, 04:02 PM
Ron Walker By the way, I still have other bulb types that I h... Nov 24 2008, 05:47 PM
Charlie Miller Dear Ron and Owen,
Thank you much for your though... Nov 25 2008, 10:27 AM
Ron Walker Dear Ron and Owen,
Thank you much for your though... Nov 25 2008, 11:29 AM
Owen Phairis Dear Ron and Owen,
Thank you much for your though... Nov 25 2008, 11:42 AM
Charlie Miller We'll see if the 1/4 inch phono plug idea work... Nov 25 2008, 12:50 PM
charles jones Hi Charlie
Can you post a photo of your projector... Nov 25 2008, 02:26 PM
charles jones On the subject of lamps:
Ron, Owen, Ken -
Do yo... Nov 25 2008, 02:38 PM
Charlie Miller On the subject of lamps:
Ron, Owen, Ken -
Do yo... Nov 25 2008, 02:41 PM
Owen Phairis On the subject of lamps:
Ron, Owen, Ken -
Do yo... Nov 25 2008, 03:14 PM
Ken Miller On the subject of lamps:
Ron, Owen, Ken -
Do yo... Nov 25 2008, 03:37 PM
Owen Phairis On the subject of lamps:
Ron, Owen, Ken -
Do yo... Nov 26 2008, 02:38 PM
Ken Miller Charles,
There is one interesting thing that I ha... Nov 26 2008, 03:29 PM

Owen Phairis Owen
I guess I have noticed that same effect. Rai... Nov 26 2008, 03:43 PM

Ron Walker Ken,
Yes, that makes perfect sense. It seems so m... Nov 26 2008, 04:42 PM

mrgare5050 Ken,
Yes, that makes perfect sense. It seems so m... Nov 26 2008, 05:41 PM
Ron Walker Charles,
There is one interesting thing that I ha... Nov 26 2008, 04:37 PM
Charlie Miller When you think about it, that is exactly the way i... Nov 27 2008, 02:00 PM
Ron Walker THat's an interesting observation.. about the... Nov 30 2008, 11:24 PM
Charlie Miller I'm hoping that I've properly attached thi... Nov 25 2008, 02:40 PM
mrgare5050 I'm hoping that I've properly attached thi... Nov 25 2008, 07:19 PM
Charlie Miller P.S.
I think my wife would kill me if she knew I ... Nov 25 2008, 02:43 PM
Charlie Miller
Can I close my blabbing of today by posting an o... Nov 25 2008, 03:00 PM
charles jones You learn a lot from this forum. I didn’t know LE... Nov 25 2008, 07:05 PM
charles jones Here's a photo of the simple artificial horizo... Nov 25 2008, 07:08 PM
Charlie Miller Here's a photo of the simple artificial horizo... Nov 26 2008, 10:25 AM
Ron Walker Thanks for your photos of the "internals... Nov 26 2008, 11:47 AM
Ron Walker Thanks for your photos of the "internals... Nov 26 2008, 04:20 PM
Charlie Miller I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ... Nov 26 2008, 12:55 PM
Ken Miller I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ... Nov 26 2008, 01:29 PM

Owen Phairis I'm going to be really surprised if that Nova ... Nov 26 2008, 01:53 PM


Ken Miller 2k maybe, 5K? I do not think so, at least I would ... Nov 26 2008, 03:39 PM


Owen Phairis Game on Owen. Let's see who's right when t... Nov 26 2008, 06:56 PM


Ken Miller The game is a-foot.
Your bet.
3 days 14 hours to... Nov 30 2008, 10:54 AM


Owen Phairis Owen
You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl... Nov 30 2008, 11:09 AM


Charlie Miller Owen
You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl... Nov 30 2008, 01:42 PM



Ken Miller Hi, folks, glad this old technology will stay in ... Nov 30 2008, 02:02 PM


Ron Walker Owen
You win. I'm amazed that it went for on... Nov 30 2008, 11:52 PM


ltkhoover Owen
You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl... Dec 1 2008, 08:26 PM


Ken Miller Congratulations Ken! I had discussed buying t... Dec 20 2008, 06:00 PM

Owen Phairis I'm going to be really surprised if that Nova ... Nov 30 2008, 10:52 AM
Ron Walker I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ... Nov 26 2008, 04:14 PM
Charlie Miller Well, thanks for that little dose of reality. And... Nov 26 2008, 01:46 PM
Charlie Miller So, with regard to orbital angles (of projected pl... Nov 26 2008, 02:03 PM
Ron Walker So, with regard to orbital angles (of projected pl... Nov 26 2008, 04:08 PM
Charlie Miller Although I wasn't asked, I'm wondering if ... Nov 26 2008, 03:01 PM
Owen Phairis Although I wasn't asked, I'm wondering if ... Nov 26 2008, 03:15 PM
Charlie Miller Most neural systems are approximately logarithmic ... Nov 26 2008, 03:34 PM
SteveDurham OK...This is where I volunteer my services. I thin... Nov 30 2008, 12:00 PM
Ken Miller OK...This is where I volunteer my services. I thin... Nov 30 2008, 12:17 PM
Charlie Miller Congrats folks on the successful transfer of the N... Nov 30 2008, 01:28 PM
Charlie Miller Dear Ken,
I really appreciate your reply and thou... Nov 30 2008, 06:03 PM
Ken Miller Dear Ken,
I really appreciate your reply and thou... Nov 30 2008, 06:33 PM
Ron Walker Charlie
You aren't up against a elitist club ... Nov 30 2008, 11:46 PM
Nathan Volle Greetings Charlie, I am actually quite new to O C ... Dec 20 2008, 07:19 PM
Ken Miller Greetings Charlie, I am actually quite new to O C... Dec 20 2008, 07:56 PM
Nathan Volle That's great feedback Ken. Interestingly with ... Dec 20 2008, 08:24 PM
Charlie Miller That's great feedback Ken. Interestingly with ... Dec 21 2008, 03:31 PM
Nathan Volle Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-... Dec 21 2008, 07:53 PM
Charlie Miller Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-... Dec 22 2008, 12:34 PM

Nathan Volle Charlie---How much do the lenses cost and what are... Dec 23 2008, 03:53 AM

Charlie Miller Charlie---How much do the lenses cost and what are... Dec 23 2008, 08:20 AM

Nathan Volle That's what I needed to know Charlie. Thanks... Dec 23 2008, 11:59 PM

Nathan Volle A correction / addition of the following:
The 7mm... Dec 24 2008, 12:16 AM

Charlie Miller A correction / addition of the following:
The 7... Dec 24 2008, 09:28 AM

Nathan Volle Thanks Charlie---- I am really learning a lot by t... Dec 24 2008, 12:04 PM
Charlie Miller [quote name='Nathan Volle' post='26049' date='Dec ... Dec 22 2008, 01:22 PM

Ken Miller
Dear Nathan,
Sorry for neglecting your bulb ques... Dec 22 2008, 03:41 PM

Owen Phairis I'll have to add the 3AAA bulbs to my list. I ... Dec 22 2008, 05:34 PM

Charlie Miller Hi Ken,
As I recall from my physics 101 days that... Dec 22 2008, 06:56 PM


Ken Miller Dear Ken and Owen,
Yes, I agree with the superior... Dec 23 2008, 11:13 AM


Charlie Miller Charlie
The "Stinger" bulb that we keep... Dec 23 2008, 11:49 AM

Ron Walker Hi Ken,
As I recall from my physics 101 days that... Dec 23 2008, 10:34 AM

Owen Phairis :blink: Thank God for light meters. ;)
I was thi... Dec 23 2008, 05:16 PM
Charlie Miller Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-... Dec 22 2008, 01:42 PM
Nathan Volle Charlie----Thanks for the incredible amount of hel... Dec 22 2008, 02:01 PM
mrgare5050 heres a couple pictures of smiths lenses next thre... Dec 22 2008, 02:40 PM
mrgare5050 RE: New Member - Many Questions Dec 22 2008, 02:41 PM
mrgare5050 RE: New Member - Many Questions Dec 22 2008, 02:41 PM
Nathan Volle GREAT pictures Gary! Very helpful. Where is th... Dec 23 2008, 03:40 AM
mrgare5050 Whose projector is that? What does the starfield ... Dec 23 2008, 08:47 AM
mrgare5050 I orignally had 15 or so on the Emmons starball an... Dec 23 2008, 08:49 AM
Charlie Miller Hello, Folks,
I've just ordered a Stinger bul... Dec 23 2008, 12:09 PM![]() ![]() |
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