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Charlie Miller
post Nov 23 2008, 10:09 AM
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Greetings,

I'm a new member with an old projector - a home-made 16" diameter version of the Steven B. Smiith 20" drum style. My 16" drum's strength is its dense star field (equivalent to the norton star alas 6.4 magnitude field), but because of its relatively small diameter, a strong design demand is the light source.

I'm writing to ask about experiences (and my observations) about light sources. I've migrated to the "bi-pin" still of bulbs used in Maglight (they have high intensity ad small filaments -- two very good things), but I'm still looking for the optimal. One weakness of the maglite style bulbs (or at least the Rayovac "High intensity" 3.6V, 0.3A bi-pin model I'm using) is that it's small glass envelope precludes distributions of light evenly throughout a solid angular region of 340 degrees (the angular coverage of my device). Old research I did on the Spitz A3 indicated that they used to use a bulb that had two important design parameters: a large glass envelope (thus increasing the distance from the filament to the base -- and thus the angular coverage of the light field) and a filament that seemed to be carefully placed within the center of the spherical shape of the bulb. This latter design aspect prevents secondary images developing as a result of filament light reflected off the inside surface of the glass envelope.

Perhaps I'm mentioning things that are well known; I apologize if this is the case. But I'm still searching for that bulb that has:

(1) the smallest (point-like) filament

(2) appropriate brightness (of course, dependent upon dome size, etc.)

(3) whitish color temperature (this is a toughy for incandescent bulbs, with there yellow-weighted spectra)

Note: The proper combination of items (2) and (3) are important, as if I'm compelled to "dim" the bulb because
it is simply too intense, then I get further away from white color temperature.

(4) large coverage of the star sphere / cylinder (i.e. globe of stars)
(this seems to be a drawback of these small "maglite" type bulbs, darn it! I'm loath to thinking of going to a two-bulb
configuration, due to the demand for precise location and masking, etc.)

(5) filament centered within an ideally spherically shaped glass envelop, to prevent the formation of
"secondary" or ghost images due to the lack of such a geometry.

Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing from any who have looked at this issue. I do find that the mag-lite bubs are pretty good, but
I'm striving for the best -- because it is THE limiting factor for my 16 star cylinder.

Thank you for any/all help out there.

Charlie Miller
Home-builder

P.S. I have emailed with Gare and hope to send him a photo or two of my star cylinder and perhaps a shot of a star field (i'm currently working on re-doing all the condenser lense mounts and all that, however).

P.P.S. Thank you for this oppotunity and venue.


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Charlie Miller
Iowa City, IA

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Iowa Space Science Center project
www.IowaSpaceScience.org

Other Projects: Science education, Spitz A4, Home-built planetarium
(6.35 limiting mag); single fisheye digital projection system. Spitz 373,
and the Spitz Jr.!
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Charlie Miller
post Nov 30 2008, 06:03 PM
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Dear Ken,

I really appreciate your reply and thoughts. Thank you for them. It's nice to think that I'm not just up against a sort-of elitist club that might leave real "basement operators" like me in the dust.

Thanks again for your thoughts. I'll still try to figure out how to procede on a hobby that someimtes really grips mean (when I'm not having difficulting learning how to tap holes through aluminum witht a #6 tap and breaking them!).

My real challenge, at any rate, is finding/developing a local interest group that i could directly become involved in. I think thinks like building a 16-20' dome are, in the grand scheme, not the hardest problem -- it's getting that critical mass of interest.

Again, thanks.

c.


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Charlie Miller
Iowa City, IA

Director
Iowa Space Science Center project
www.IowaSpaceScience.org

Other Projects: Science education, Spitz A4, Home-built planetarium
(6.35 limiting mag); single fisheye digital projection system. Spitz 373,
and the Spitz Jr.!
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Charlie Miller   New Member - Many Questions   Nov 23 2008, 10:09 AM
Owen Phairis   Greetings, I'm a new member with an old proje...   Nov 23 2008, 10:47 AM
Charlie Miller   Dear Mr. Phairis, Thanks for the reply and photo....   Nov 23 2008, 11:10 AM
Owen Phairis   Dear Mr. Phairis, Thanks for the reply and photo....   Nov 23 2008, 02:18 PM
Charlie Miller   Thank you for the bulb photos. I think I had info...   Nov 23 2008, 07:28 PM
Owen Phairis   Thank you for the bulb photos. I think I had info ...   Nov 24 2008, 09:56 AM
Charlie Miller   My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ...   Nov 24 2008, 01:16 PM
Owen Phairis   My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ...   Nov 24 2008, 01:49 PM
Ron Walker   My plan for planet projectors (and in particular, ...   Nov 24 2008, 03:43 PM
Ron Walker   Greetings, I'm a new member with an old proje...   Nov 24 2008, 03:09 PM
Ken Miller   For what it's worth, the table I created to li...   Nov 24 2008, 03:58 PM
Ken Miller   By the way, I still have other bulb types that I h...   Nov 24 2008, 04:02 PM
Ron Walker   By the way, I still have other bulb types that I h...   Nov 24 2008, 05:47 PM
Charlie Miller   Dear Ron and Owen, Thank you much for your though...   Nov 25 2008, 10:27 AM
Ron Walker   Dear Ron and Owen, Thank you much for your though...   Nov 25 2008, 11:29 AM
Owen Phairis   Dear Ron and Owen, Thank you much for your though...   Nov 25 2008, 11:42 AM
Charlie Miller   We'll see if the 1/4 inch phono plug idea work...   Nov 25 2008, 12:50 PM
charles jones   Hi Charlie Can you post a photo of your projector...   Nov 25 2008, 02:26 PM
charles jones   On the subject of lamps: Ron, Owen, Ken - Do yo...   Nov 25 2008, 02:38 PM
Charlie Miller   On the subject of lamps: Ron, Owen, Ken - Do yo...   Nov 25 2008, 02:41 PM
Owen Phairis   On the subject of lamps: Ron, Owen, Ken - Do yo...   Nov 25 2008, 03:14 PM
Ken Miller   On the subject of lamps: Ron, Owen, Ken - Do yo...   Nov 25 2008, 03:37 PM
Owen Phairis   On the subject of lamps: Ron, Owen, Ken - Do yo...   Nov 26 2008, 02:38 PM
Ken Miller   Charles, There is one interesting thing that I ha...   Nov 26 2008, 03:29 PM
Owen Phairis   Owen I guess I have noticed that same effect. Rai...   Nov 26 2008, 03:43 PM
Ron Walker   Ken, Yes, that makes perfect sense. It seems so m...   Nov 26 2008, 04:42 PM
mrgare5050   Ken, Yes, that makes perfect sense. It seems so m...   Nov 26 2008, 05:41 PM
Ron Walker   Charles, There is one interesting thing that I ha...   Nov 26 2008, 04:37 PM
Charlie Miller   When you think about it, that is exactly the way i...   Nov 27 2008, 02:00 PM
Ron Walker   THat's an interesting observation.. about the...   Nov 30 2008, 11:24 PM
Charlie Miller   I'm hoping that I've properly attached thi...   Nov 25 2008, 02:40 PM
mrgare5050   I'm hoping that I've properly attached thi...   Nov 25 2008, 07:19 PM
Charlie Miller   P.S. I think my wife would kill me if she knew I ...   Nov 25 2008, 02:43 PM
Charlie Miller   Can I close my blabbing of today by posting an o...   Nov 25 2008, 03:00 PM
charles jones   You learn a lot from this forum. I didn’t know LE...   Nov 25 2008, 07:05 PM
charles jones   Here's a photo of the simple artificial horizo...   Nov 25 2008, 07:08 PM
Charlie Miller   Here's a photo of the simple artificial horizo...   Nov 26 2008, 10:25 AM
Ron Walker   Thanks for your photos of the "internals...   Nov 26 2008, 11:47 AM
Ron Walker   Thanks for your photos of the "internals...   Nov 26 2008, 04:20 PM
Charlie Miller   I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ...   Nov 26 2008, 12:55 PM
Ken Miller   I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ...   Nov 26 2008, 01:29 PM
Owen Phairis   I'm going to be really surprised if that Nova ...   Nov 26 2008, 01:53 PM
Ken Miller   2k maybe, 5K? I do not think so, at least I would ...   Nov 26 2008, 03:39 PM
Owen Phairis   Game on Owen. Let's see who's right when t...   Nov 26 2008, 06:56 PM
Ken Miller   The game is a-foot. Your bet. 3 days 14 hours to...   Nov 30 2008, 10:54 AM
Owen Phairis   Owen You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl...   Nov 30 2008, 11:09 AM
Charlie Miller   Owen You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl...   Nov 30 2008, 01:42 PM
Ken Miller   Hi, folks, glad this old technology will stay in ...   Nov 30 2008, 02:02 PM
Ron Walker   Owen You win. I'm amazed that it went for on...   Nov 30 2008, 11:52 PM
ltkhoover   Owen You win. I'm amazed that it went for onl...   Dec 1 2008, 08:26 PM
Ken Miller   Congratulations Ken! I had discussed buying t...   Dec 20 2008, 06:00 PM
Owen Phairis   I'm going to be really surprised if that Nova ...   Nov 30 2008, 10:52 AM
Ron Walker   I lost sleep overnight thinking about bidding for ...   Nov 26 2008, 04:14 PM
Charlie Miller   Well, thanks for that little dose of reality. And...   Nov 26 2008, 01:46 PM
Charlie Miller   So, with regard to orbital angles (of projected pl...   Nov 26 2008, 02:03 PM
Ron Walker   So, with regard to orbital angles (of projected pl...   Nov 26 2008, 04:08 PM
Charlie Miller   Although I wasn't asked, I'm wondering if ...   Nov 26 2008, 03:01 PM
Owen Phairis   Although I wasn't asked, I'm wondering if ...   Nov 26 2008, 03:15 PM
Charlie Miller   Most neural systems are approximately logarithmic ...   Nov 26 2008, 03:34 PM
SteveDurham   OK...This is where I volunteer my services. I thin...   Nov 30 2008, 12:00 PM
Ken Miller   OK...This is where I volunteer my services. I thin...   Nov 30 2008, 12:17 PM
mrgare5050   i'll just chip in my congrats to ken, one of t...   Nov 30 2008, 01:11 PM
Charlie Miller   Congrats folks on the successful transfer of the N...   Nov 30 2008, 01:28 PM
Charlie Miller   Dear Ken, I really appreciate your reply and thou...   Nov 30 2008, 06:03 PM
Ken Miller   Dear Ken, I really appreciate your reply and thou...   Nov 30 2008, 06:33 PM
Ron Walker   Charlie You aren't up against a elitist club ...   Nov 30 2008, 11:46 PM
Nathan Volle   Greetings Charlie, I am actually quite new to O C ...   Dec 20 2008, 07:19 PM
Ken Miller   Greetings Charlie, I am actually quite new to O C...   Dec 20 2008, 07:56 PM
Nathan Volle   That's great feedback Ken. Interestingly with ...   Dec 20 2008, 08:24 PM
Charlie Miller   That's great feedback Ken. Interestingly with ...   Dec 21 2008, 03:31 PM
Nathan Volle   Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-...   Dec 21 2008, 07:53 PM
Charlie Miller   Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-...   Dec 22 2008, 12:34 PM
Nathan Volle   Charlie---How much do the lenses cost and what are...   Dec 23 2008, 03:53 AM
Charlie Miller   Charlie---How much do the lenses cost and what are...   Dec 23 2008, 08:20 AM
Nathan Volle   That's what I needed to know Charlie. Thanks...   Dec 23 2008, 11:59 PM
Nathan Volle   A correction / addition of the following: The 7mm...   Dec 24 2008, 12:16 AM
Charlie Miller   A correction / addition of the following: The 7...   Dec 24 2008, 09:28 AM
Nathan Volle   Thanks Charlie---- I am really learning a lot by t...   Dec 24 2008, 12:04 PM
Charlie Miller   [quote name='Nathan Volle' post='26049' date='Dec ...   Dec 22 2008, 01:22 PM
Ken Miller   Dear Nathan, Sorry for neglecting your bulb ques...   Dec 22 2008, 03:41 PM
Owen Phairis   I'll have to add the 3AAA bulbs to my list. I ...   Dec 22 2008, 05:34 PM
Charlie Miller   Hi Ken, As I recall from my physics 101 days that...   Dec 22 2008, 06:56 PM
Ken Miller   Dear Ken and Owen, Yes, I agree with the superior...   Dec 23 2008, 11:13 AM
Charlie Miller   Charlie The "Stinger" bulb that we keep...   Dec 23 2008, 11:49 AM
Ron Walker   Hi Ken, As I recall from my physics 101 days that...   Dec 23 2008, 10:34 AM
Owen Phairis   :blink: Thank God for light meters. ;) I was thi...   Dec 23 2008, 05:16 PM
Charlie Miller   Thanks Charlie---If you had details on your Ray-o-...   Dec 22 2008, 01:42 PM
Nathan Volle   Charlie----Thanks for the incredible amount of hel...   Dec 22 2008, 02:01 PM
mrgare5050   heres a couple pictures of smiths lenses next thre...   Dec 22 2008, 02:40 PM
mrgare5050   RE: New Member - Many Questions   Dec 22 2008, 02:41 PM
mrgare5050   RE: New Member - Many Questions   Dec 22 2008, 02:41 PM
Nathan Volle   GREAT pictures Gary! Very helpful. Where is th...   Dec 23 2008, 03:40 AM
mrgare5050   Whose projector is that? What does the starfield ...   Dec 23 2008, 08:47 AM
mrgare5050   I orignally had 15 or so on the Emmons starball an...   Dec 23 2008, 08:49 AM
Charlie Miller   Hello, Folks, I've just ordered a Stinger bul...   Dec 23 2008, 12:09 PM

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